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		<title>Frumgirl 1: Chary, Wary, Crunch and Trust</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It started with a fairly basic question: &#8220;What happens if you eat something that isn&#8217;t kosher?&#8221;
Which may sound incredibly simple and you&#8217;d think it&#8217;s the sort of question people are asked all the time. But this was the first I&#8217;d ever heard it, and it was about to become the preamble to a doozy of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=frummeetsworld.wordpress.com&blog=2293663&post=230&subd=frummeetsworld&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>It started with a fairly basic question: &#8220;What happens if you eat something that isn&#8217;t kosher?&#8221;</p>
<p>Which may sound incredibly simple and you&#8217;d think it&#8217;s the sort of question people are asked all the time. But this was the first I&#8217;d ever heard it, and it was about to become the preamble to a doozy of an encounter. I&#8217;ve fielded &#8220;Do you believe in hell,&#8221; danced around the definition of Judaism, and been subject to a broken record of common phrases and preconceptions that wind up within the first ten questions the average non-Orthodox individual feels comfortable asking me. Never had I been asked so directly and so practically such a basic tenet of Jewish thought. Certainly not while contending with a patient chart containing no discernible evidence of having ever approached the English language despite being written by, of all things, an actual Englishwoman.</p>
<p>Which is why I stared stupidly at my Colombian temporary ten-week-boss for a full thirty seconds of silence while trying  to sift two illegible anti-hypertensives and a mood stabilizer out of the cogent response I knew was lurking somewhere  in the back of my head.</p>
<p>&#8220;I mean, do you go to hell?&#8221; she clarified helpfully.</p>
<p>&#8220;That depends,&#8221; I started, since almost all things religious depend in some way and it gave me a few more safe milliseconds in which to think, &#8220;on what my intentions were and what else I did in my life.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;So if you eat pork once without knowing it, you don&#8217;t go to hell?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Uh, no.&#8221;</p>
<p>My boss took a deep breath, as if she was greatly relieved. &#8220;I&#8217;m so glad to know! I&#8217;ve been feeling horribly guilty ever since my wedding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course I was not about to let that rest unquestioned, despite the infinitely alluring call of a stubbornly indiscernible patient chart. Besides, this was the boss herself I was wasting time with and I had no patients waiting for me. Gradually, I teased out the full story:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have this friend Ron. Who&#8217;s Jewish and sort of religious, but not religious like you.&#8221; She waved a hand at my wardrobe choice for the day, continuing with &#8220;he doesn&#8217;t keep kosher, but he won&#8217;t eat pork. When I made the menu for my wedding, I chose a pork dish. And I knew that he wouldn&#8217;t eat anything at my wedding if he knew there was pork in it, and I felt so bad about that so I put him on the vegan table and told the chef to give him the vegan menu. Well, the chef tells me the day before my wedding that the vegan menu also has a little bit of pork in it, but you can&#8217;t taste it. And I knew that if I told Ron, he would go hungry at my wedding so I told the waiter to tell the whole table that the food had no pork in it if they were asked. Ever since then I&#8217;ve been feeling terribly guilty that Ron might go to hell because of me for something that&#8217;s my fault.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first thing I couldn&#8217;t help thinking about were those urban legends about trusted domestic help putting butter in peoples&#8217; chicken and similarly trusted daycare assistance feeding people&#8217;s toddlers ham sandwiches at the corner deli and then lying about it for years. Then there was also the &#8220;darn, I had just worked myself into something that did not quite involve so much wariness and now this.&#8221; Then I think I became even more disgusted that she&#8217;d feed a table full of vegans pork, lie about it, and then feeling more guilty about endangering her &#8220;sort of&#8221; religious Jewish friends&#8217; afterlife.</p>
<p>So I flubbed a platitude as a response and went back to my chart decoding, but I was shaken and  the boss could tell. Needless to say, dietary trust is one area in which no absolute point of view is ever always right.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 4: Elevating Encounters</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m lounging in the elevator, spacing out. I shouldn&#8217;t; I&#8217;m beginning to notice a pattern that some of my most interesting interactions occur in elevators. Heck &#8211; two weeks ago, I met a fellow in the elevator on the way to a research presentation we both attended. He subsequently went out for dinner with my [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=frummeetsworld.wordpress.com&blog=2293663&post=225&subd=frummeetsworld&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I&#8217;m lounging in the elevator, spacing out. I shouldn&#8217;t; I&#8217;m beginning to notice a pattern that some of my most interesting interactions occur in elevators. Heck &#8211; two weeks ago, I met a fellow in the elevator on the way to a research presentation we both attended. He subsequently went out for dinner with my great aunt and uncle, and my grandmother emailed me the honorable mention I received the next morning. (Don&#8217;t try to follow that connection. It&#8217;s Jewish geography.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I was in the elevator, and suddenly, breaking into my thoughts, comes the question, &#8220;Are you Hasidic?&#8221;</p>
<p>I look up. A tall black fellow is smiling across the elevator at me. I straighten. &#8220;No, just Orthodox.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ah, Orthodox.&#8221;  He pauses and then explains, &#8220;I live in Crown Heights. It&#8217;s not often that I see one of my people here in this university.&#8221;</p>
<p>I smile at the mention of &#8220;my people.&#8221; We strike up a conversation. We were going in the same direction anyway. We split when he went to teach a class and I went to do some work in the lounge, but met up again when he left his students to hold a top-secret conference and wandered into the lounge to wait it out.</p>
<p>He was soon chatting with a few students, helping another with a speech, and listening to another complain.</p>
<p>When ten minutes were up and he had to get back, he went around shaking hands and high fiving. &#8220;How about an almost high five?&#8221; he asked me. I agreed. I won&#8217;t do shomer hugs, which I find obscene, but I don&#8217;t see any harm in failing to complete a high five. A Caribbean fellow watched all this in bemusement. &#8220;What&#8217;s that? An almost high five? You can do that?&#8221; He was amazed. &#8220;You know, I tried shaking hands with her the first day and she flattened my nose.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I was wondering how your nose got that way,&#8221; the professor grinned. Then he did a double take. &#8220;Wait&#8230; you mean she almost punched you in the nose.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, stopped just short, but the wind did the rest.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was not quite true. I&#8217;m a mostly non-violent person, and definitely never punched anyone for trying to shake my hand. Truth is, if the room is noisy, the subject is business, and if I&#8217;m never  going to see the person again, I&#8217;ll shake, based on the &#8220;embarrassing is worse&#8221; principle. But I do think it&#8217;s important to establish with students and people I&#8217;ll be around long-term that there&#8217;s this no-contact thing. There was one fellow I missed the boat with on that, and he turned out to be the sort who goes around poking people when he says hi. Since then I&#8217;ve warded off huggers, back-slappers, fist-punchers, and high-fivers. In return, I accept the reality of air high fives and &#8220;I wish I could hug that&#8217;s how pleased I am right now but I can&#8217;t so I&#8217;m gonna hug myself and you understand that it&#8217;s for you ok&#8221; type of scenarios.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 1: Reaffirmation of Presence and Purpose</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Yes, I am aware that my already meager readership (or whatever there was of one,) has long since given up on new content. Still, I&#8217;m at loathe to discontinue this blog since the reason for its conception is not only alive and kicking, but downright flourishing from neglect under its dark and slimy rock.</p>
<p>Why&#8217;d I go AWOL this time? You can imagine my expression when I walked into my parents&#8217; place one rushed Friday afternoon to spot a certain familiar blog header open on my youngest brother&#8217;s laptop. My family has a variety of opinions on the contents, (they recognized my voice instantly,) ranging from &#8220;you sound so subversive&#8221; to &#8220;it&#8217;s fairly well written.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t imagine my expression then, how about when a non-Orthodox classmate asks me who I was referring to by one of my little ruthless classmate-descriptors here? No? Well, I&#8217;m sure both times it was a mix of shock, disbelief, and a tiny little traitorous slice of pride. A slice which has convinced me to keep writing, even though parents and classmates are reading now and anonymity has revealed itself to be transparent false security blanket in a very small world.  I have never been the sort to pull punches or allow the opinions of people I do not respect affect the way I do or say things, and I&#8217;m not about to start now.</p>
<p>A lot has changed in the months since last post, including myself. I can pass for non-frummie far more effectively than ever before. I&#8217;m not quite sure how and why this occurred, but it doesn&#8217;t bother me as long as I can turn it on and off at will. It has lowered my patience for those willfully close-minded frum-bubble-dwellers who form opinions based on third hand and highly suspect visions of reality, but my patience for such has never been ideal to begin with. That was always at least a portion of the point of this blog: to gently, circuitously, and humorously cause at least a few people to think about whether bubble-dwelling is truly beneficial in the long run. For both ourselves microcosmically and as a group member of a larger global community that has the power to afford and deny us needs. Ignorance on both sides of the frum-bubble has not helped me or anyone I know one bit. There has got to be a better way to preserve who we are and what we believe in without isolating ourselves with a blanket war on media.</p>
<p>So I will keep on writing, regardless of who is reading (or not reading,) and if necessary I will be equally forthright in person to all confronters. Expect more.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 5: For Papa, Make Him a Scholar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 21:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The four of us were standing around chatting after class one day—Diana, a 29-year-old Catholic African-American, Sadaf, a hijabi (scarf-wearing) Muslim girl of 22, Emma, who is 23 and from Barbados, and myself.  Sadaf was entertaining us with talk about her last Islamic studies class over the weekend, when the topic changes to guys.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The four of us were standing around chatting after class one day—Diana, a 29-year-old Catholic African-American, Sadaf, a hijabi (scarf-wearing) Muslim girl of 22, Emma, who is 23 and from Barbados, and myself.  Sadaf was entertaining us with talk about her last Islamic studies class over the weekend, when the topic changes to guys.</p>
<p>Suddenly Emma, in a reserved, Emma-like voice, pipes up.  “Hey F5, you know…maybe you’ll think I’m crazy or something…but…ever since the first day of school, I was totally thinking that you and Joey would be perfect for one another!”</p>
<p>Having just taken a swig of orange juice from the carton I was holding, I struggle not to give my classmates a shower.  A shadchan?  Here?!  And in the form of a Seventh Day Adventist from the West Indies, no less.  Hashem bless my lucky stars…</p>
<p>Joey is a nice, rather funny guy of Syrian descent who is the only yarmulke-wearing dude in the whole program.  He’s definitely a sweet fellow, but not exactly what I’m looking for in the slightest.  Needless to say very much surprised at the randomness of the suggestion (in a way, I suppose,  similar to the “she wears a skirt, he wears pants” shidduch arrangement), I try valiantly to swallow my mouthful.</p>
<p>Sadaf, however, beats me to it.  “Nah, that won’t work,” she says casually.</p>
<p>My eyebrows go up.  Oh?</p>
<p>Diana joins in now.  “Why not?”</p>
<p>Sadaf keeps going.  “Well, because Joey is Sephardic, and F5 is not.”</p>
<p>The other two say “ohhh” and nod sagely.  I am fighting the urge to laugh.  Diana then turns to me and asks, “So, F5, what kind of guy are you looking for, then?”</p>
<p>About to answer, Sadaf beats me to it again.  “She’s looking for a Yeshiva student.  You know, those guys with the black pants and white shirts.”</p>
<p>I’m looking at Sadaf incredulously now.  Where in the world does she get her information from?</p>
<p>On a roll now, she continues.  “Oh my gosh!  Hello, F5, I totally have the perfect guy for you!! He was in one of my undergrad classes, white shirt, black pants, the whole deal!  Hmm…and good looking too…”</p>
<p>Two lessons:</p>
<p>1.   The multiculturalism in graduate school is mind-boggling.</p>
<p>2.   The shadchan will always find you.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 4: Greener Grass</title>
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I&#8217;ve developed a huge appreciation for the laws of Loshon Hara.
In my youth, etc, I never felt like people discussed me behind my back, nor wondered if someone was  being nice to me when really they couldn&#8217;t stand me. Between having it pounded into our heads that gossip [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=frummeetsworld.wordpress.com&blog=2293663&post=215&subd=frummeetsworld&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve developed a huge appreciation for the laws of Loshon Hara.</p>
<p>In my youth, etc, I never felt like people discussed me behind my back, nor wondered if someone was  being nice to me when really they couldn&#8217;t stand me. Between having it pounded into our heads that gossip is wrong and two-facedness just as bad, I always knew that the worst case would be that someone was being nice to me as a chesed, because she thought I was friendless nerd. And you can usually spot those, because they&#8217;re a bit saccharine. And as for loshon hara&#8230; well, most of us have it down to the nitty gritties like &#8220;Oops, I made a face when her name was mentioned.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it was a cold slap in the face when I first partnered with Joe for a project and was introduced to many of his friends and associates. He&#8217;d smile, slap them on the back, ask how they were doing, talk about a movie, promise to see them later, and then say, &#8220;That was Rolf. He&#8217;s a bastard, but good for a game of football,&#8221; or &#8220;God I hate her. Such a selfish bitch.&#8221; Or, &#8220;He&#8217;s so goddamn annoying. He kept hanging around me yesterday talking about how he didn&#8217;t have any lunch, until I gave him 20 bucks and told him to treat himself. I paid him to leave me alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you say about me behind my back?&#8221; I asked one day. He looked at me blankly. &#8220;Why would I do that?&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it even occured to him that he was talking about people behind their backs.</p>
<p>Which could explain my minor paranoia. If I say something, and there&#8217;s a slightly longer than necessary pause after, I wonder &#8220;Oops, did I just say something stupid?&#8221; If there&#8217;s an exchange of looks that I don&#8217;t understand I think, &#8220;Time to fade out&#8230;&#8221; I never feel like I really know my position in things.  I don&#8217;t need to have friends in college &#8211; I have plenty elsewhere, and my self-esteem is healthy enough. It just makes me uncomfortable to not know where I stand. This keeps me on my best behavior, and it keeps me aloof.  The nice thing of which is that when you&#8217;re aloof people have to seek you out, which is a sure proof that they&#8217;re not just being nice. But it also reminds me that these are not my people, and these are not my real friends. And it helps me appreciate those who are my people and my real friends &#8211; the ones who might make faces behind my back, but nothing worse.</p>
<p>I sometimes joke, &#8220;The farther I get from Jews, the more I like them.&#8221; When you&#8217;re immersed in a community, it&#8217;s easier to see its faults. But from a distance, it&#8217;s easier to see the positive traits. One thing I have definitely gained from my college experience is an increased appreciation for Jews and Judaism.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 1: Easily Teased, Me?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warning: this entry is not as clean as would be desired due to necessity of content. It is hardly explicit, either.
In the infinite wisdom of my most infinitely illogical professor, two from a collection of symposiums, panels, and lectures that fell under the heading of &#8220;Sex in Medicine Week,&#8221; were mandatory to all students in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=frummeetsworld.wordpress.com&blog=2293663&post=212&subd=frummeetsworld&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>In the infinite wisdom of my most infinitely illogical professor, two from a collection of symposiums, panels, and lectures that fell under the heading of &#8220;Sex in Medicine Week,&#8221; were mandatory to all students in my program.</p>
<p>No, discomfort was not a valid reason for failing to show up. Attendance <em>was</em> taken, after all. To give you an idea how unnecessary these lectures were to begin with, the &#8220;in Medicine&#8221; portion of the title &#8220;Sex <em>in Medicine</em> Week&#8221; was really, really small in comparison to the other two title words on all the signs promoting the event. The more apt nomenclature of &#8220;Sex Week,&#8221; was used by everyone, and as that accurately predicted, the symposium was little more than a social lets-all-get-together-and-talk-about-sex-in-public event and not a sort of informative session on medical issues. The consequence for not sitting through the entirety of both sordid lectures was severe enough to make anyone think several times before braving hooky, to boot.</p>
<p>So off went this poor Frumgirl, scrunching down in a back seat and pretending she was anywhere but there, listening to 300 students and faculty members  loudly yell &#8220;orgasm,&#8221; at the top of their lungs on the behest of a rather famous 80 year old accented &#8220;sex therapist&#8221; radio personality.</p>
<p>Said former Hagana-sniping, WW2-surviving sex therapist was signing books after her well disguised sell-job of a lecture, and I could think of nothing I wanted to do more than magically procure a rivaling public-personality sex therapist&#8217;s book for her to sign. Sort of a silent protest for being forced through one of the more uncomfortable hours of my life. Sadly, I did not come prepared for this.</p>
<p>The other discomforting lecture was billed as a talk about the issues of men and women with developmental disabilities; men and women who may ask certain questions of their favorite health professionals. Sounds not all that objectionable, right? In reality, it was merely another opportunity for people to talk about private matters before all and sundry. Except this time it was people with developmental disabilities airing their dirty laundry. With one redeeming factor: it discussed the prevalence of abuse in residential homes, which is staggering and quite frankly appalling.</p>
<p>Around halfway through this lecture, the speaker asks the audience to form small groups,  answer a page of questions, and choose a leader to represent their answers when asked.</p>
<p>Now guess who was immediately nominated?</p>
<p>Bingbingbing! Yup, you guessed it.</p>
<p>&#8220;C&#8217;mon, Frumgirl, step out of your comfort zone for once!&#8221; (Um, why?)</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, Frumgirl, we&#8217;re just trying to get you to say the word sex out loud for once!&#8221; (I totally do in reference to matters of clinical relevance!)</p>
<p>&#8220;Besides, Frumgirl, I bet you know the answers to all the questions!&#8221; (That would be such a great compliment in any other situation.)</p>
<p>I managed to worm my way out of that particular responsibility, but never let it be said that grad school is all about the future profession or that one can possibly walk away with an advanced degree in one subject area without receiving a certain amount of education in many other areas, as well.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 1: Reconstructionist Fashion Advice</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a question of the day: why would anyone ask a frumguy fashion advice?
You&#8217;d think that one look at the lack of deviation and stylistic flair the typical frumguy sports on an informal daily basis would be enough to warn people off. Maybe, if it were a frumgirl doing the asking, one may optimistically believe [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=frummeetsworld.wordpress.com&blog=2293663&post=206&subd=frummeetsworld&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Here&#8217;s a question of the day: why would anyone ask a frumguy fashion advice?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think that one look at the lack of deviation and stylistic flair the typical frumguy sports on an informal daily basis would be enough to warn people off. Maybe, if it were a frumgirl doing the asking, one may optimistically believe the average frumguy knows something of clothes actually worth hearing through exposure. Otherwise, in my experience, you may as well ask an Innuit about swimsuit design for all the decent fashion expertise you&#8217;re likely to receive.</p>
<p>Perhaps it was the belief that frummies know every single minutaie about Judaism that prompted the Long Island classmate to ask the class Hassidic Dude whether a particular dress of hers was appropriate for a Bat Mitzvah in a Reconstructionist temple. He looked a little lost, so I helped him out.</p>
<p>What I should have said was to wear whatever she&#8217;d feel comfortable wearing to a church.</p>
<p>Instead, I provided my standard non-frummie propriety standards; of hemline, sleeves, and neckline, only one may be skimped upon.</p>
<p>It was the wrong thing to say. The dress she intended to wear was extremely low cut, had no sleeves, and fell on the shorter side of mid-thigh. Frumgirl 1: 0  Social awkwardness: 50</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Hassidic Dude has been inside a Reconstructionist temple the same number of times as I have: zero. Given that the Long Island girl didn&#8217;t know this, I&#8217;m going to assume she fell prey to the Hassidim-know-everything stereotype rather than wonder on her perception of my fashion acuity, having gone to him instead of me.</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 1: Scallions</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;You&#8217;re Sephardic?&#8221; asked the southern baptist black woman of the patient in the next chair over thumbing a Parenting magazine. She&#8217;s had prolonged exposure to all sorts of frummies, and can even tell the differences, apparently.
&#8220;Yes, I am,&#8221; replied the woman politely, social smile gracing her face, &#8220;I&#8217;m Persian.&#8221;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>&#8220;You&#8217;re Sephardic?&#8221; asked the southern baptist black woman of the patient in the next chair over thumbing a Parenting magazine. She&#8217;s had prolonged exposure to all sorts of frummies, and can even tell the differences, apparently.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, I am,&#8221; replied the woman politely, social smile gracing her face, &#8220;I&#8217;m Persian.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;So that means that you beat the groom with a scallion at the wedding?&#8221;</p>
<p>W-wait a second there. Where&#8217;d she get <em>that</em> one from? Sure, I&#8217;m all for beating grooms with things at weddings, but scallions strike me as not particularly effective weapons. And who wants a scallion-smelling groom, anyway?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Break from class found us again in heated discussion.  And again, as usual, us frumgirls were featured in the center of a highly curious questioning session. This time it was about Jewish Holidays.
One frumgirl, who awes me with her ability to explain even the most confusing of Jewish concepts in ways that make me [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=frummeetsworld.wordpress.com&blog=2293663&post=201&subd=frummeetsworld&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Break from class found us again in heated discussion.  And again, as usual, us frumgirls were featured in the center of a highly curious questioning session. This time it was about Jewish Holidays.</p>
<p>One frumgirl, who awes me with her ability to explain even the most confusing of Jewish concepts in ways that make me want to convert to Judaism all over again, was leading the conversation. &#8220;Imagine,&#8221; (and I butcher it trying to replicate what she said,) &#8220;having Thanksgiving dinner every single week&#8230;Fresh, fragrant food, your family sitting around the table together sharing in one another&#8217;s company, the warm, comfortable atmosphere&#8230; That&#8217;s what the Sabbath is like. Every week.&#8221;</p>
<p>The rest of the girls and women in the group (no guys there that day) sit in varying degrees of interest, with the most enraptured of them all being the Catholic Latina girl we&#8217;ll call Gabriella. Gabi is fascinated with us, but until coming into graduate school, never really knew much about Orthodoxy, or any Judaism for that matter (&#8220;So you don&#8217;t believe in Jesus?!&#8221; That was before Judaism 101.)</p>
<p>Anyhow, that day we were discussing different wonderful aspects of being Jewish. This time, Sue takes center stage. Sue is as non-affiliated as they come. She&#8217;s not Jewish or Christian or Muslim or anything. Sue is just&#8230;Sue. Jeans and spaghetti-strap tanktops and bicycle helmet and all. So Sue pipes up, &#8220;Hey, I once went to my friend for one of the Jewish holiday dinners!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Cool!&#8221; a few of us chorus. &#8220;Which one?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No clue,&#8221; she shrugs. &#8220;Some holiday with a lot of little plates.&#8221;</p>
<p>After a few minutes of confused pondering on our end, one of us thinks to ask her if it was Passover.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah! That was it! It was cool.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then Gabi, eager to have her position back, asks what kind of special food we have on the Sabbath and holidays. Try explaining potato kugel and gefilte fish to a bunch of kids who just heard you exclaiming how amazing your Jewish food is. Our spokesgirl begins talking about the delicious challah when Sue interrupts.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, you have gefilte fish.&#8221;</p>
<p>The rest of us are aghast.</p>
<p>I turn to her looking perplexed, but pleasantly surprised. &#8220;Sue, how in the world do you know what gefitle fish is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking slightly insulted-as if it should have been so obvious to us-Sue states matter-of-factly. &#8220;Frumgirl5, of course I know what gefilte fish is. I&#8217;m from Brooklyn&#8221;</p>
<p>Go figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Frumgirl 4: Jewish Geography</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Did you see who&#8217;s coming to speak?&#8221; I asked Joe Joeson. A religious woman was giving a lecture, and I knew that Joe, with his obsession with religious Jews, would be interested. &#8220;Sarah Joeson. Are you going to listen?&#8221;
&#8220;Sarah Joeson? Is that really her name? I wonder if she&#8217;s related to me.&#8221;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>&#8220;Did you see who&#8217;s coming to speak?&#8221; I asked Joe Joeson. A religious woman was giving a lecture, and I knew that Joe, with his obsession with religious Jews, would be interested. &#8220;Sarah Joeson. Are you going to listen?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sarah Joeson? Is that really her name? I wonder if she&#8217;s related to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oooh, you know how to play Jewish Geography?&#8221; I asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s that?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well it&#8217;s a game religious Jews play when they first meet. The point is to find out how many mutual acquaintances you have. Extra points if you can prove that they&#8217;re related to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Really</em>?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yup. Last time I played, I discovered that my friend&#8217;s roommate was in my cousin&#8217;s bunk in summer camp.&#8221;</p>
<p>[Astonishment]</p>
<p>Joe wanders off and meets up with another religious student.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey Janet, did you hear there&#8217;s this religious woman coming to speak? Sarah Joeson.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Really? Joeson? Is she related to you?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ha! I know what you&#8217;re doing! You&#8217;re playing Jewish Geography!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You know about Jewish Geography?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, sure!&#8221; [Proudly] &#8220;Whenever you religious people get together you try to find out how many people you know in common.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, that&#8217;s true.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And you get bonus points if you can prove the other person is related to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Um&#8230; no&#8230;?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No?&#8221;</p>
<p>Joe related this conversation back to me with a bit of a scowl. &#8220;I was doing so well and then&#8230; Boy you made me look stupid there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oops.</p>
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